We have been married since 1989 and have one beautiful daughter and live in South Texas. Our ministry is Inside Out Ministries International and we are also team members of Shiloh Place Ministries.

We love telling our story with openness and honesty about the crisis in our marriage and the journey which led us to healing and a life of recovery. We love connecting with others that are in pain, lonely, dissatisfied, and brokenhearted and in need of hope and healing.  Through our teachings, object lessons, and small groups we share how when pain is not acknowledged and comforted with God’s love, then you will develop behavior patterns that are detrimental to all your relationships including God, yourself and others.  Our hope is that you realize that you are not alone in this journey of processing your pain to have healing, forgiveness, peace and freedom in your life and in all your relationships.